Minutes - June 30, 2014

Como Community Council--District 10

Land Use Committee

Monday, June 30, 2014

North Dale Rec Center




Present: Kim Moon, Bill Sylvester, Frank Dolejsi, Linda Hinderscheit, Kevin Dahm and Ted Blank


Absent: Tom Eyre, Ryan Flynn and Chris Harkness


Call to Order:  Kim Moon called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. 


Adoption of Agenda:

Motion to approve the agenda (Dolejsi-Sylvester) Passed.


Approval of Minutes:

Motion: Approve the minutes of the 6/02/2014 meeting.  (Dolejsi-Moon) Passed.


Chair Report: The variance for the setback for the garage on California Ave., which was discussed at our last meeting, was approved with conditions by BZA.


Zoning Variance (1563 Dunlap): James and Nancy Hiebert have requested a variance for the side setback requirement in order to construct a new one-car garage plus a carport. A side setback of three feet is required. They are requesting a setback of zero feet from the north property line. The current garage sits on the property line. If they adhere to the zoning requirements of a three-foot setback, they would have to cut down a large black walnut tree. They have gotten signatures from their neighbors indicating their approval of the project.

Motion: Send a letter of support for the requested zoning variance for 1563 Dunlap for the construction of a new one-car garage and carport. (Dolejsi-Sylvester) Passed.


New Business: None.


Building a Better Dale Street: Ramsey County has decided to delay the road diet plan for Dale Street based on community feedback. There were a number of residents present to express their concerns and ideas for Dale Street. Jim Tolaas from Ramsey County Public Works was present. Dale Street is only 46 feet wide. Most 4-lane county highways are 52 feet wide. The plan to reduce 4 lanes to two lanes plus a left-turn lane was made for a safety perspective and to reduce the speed of traffic. Because of the traffic volume, the original plan increased the lanes to four at Maryland. Traffic count at that intersection was 13,000 cars/day.


Resident concerns and suggestions:

--View the street in segments. There are different needs and problems on different parts of the street.

--Switching from two lanes to one and then back again would be dangerous.

--There are a lot of trucks and busses on Dale.

--There was a concern that slowing traffic into a single lane on Dale would result in more traffic on side streets.

--Current speeds on Dale are excessive.

--There was considerable discussion about whether or not bike lanes could or should be located on Dale and whether or not Grotto would be a reasonable alternative.

--Signs and speed indicators do not necessarily make streets safer for pedestrians. It can give pedestrians a false sense of security.

--The bus stop on Dale north of Como/Front needs to be moved up so it does not block the crosswalk when it is stopped to pick up passengers.

--Some residents along Dale do need to park on the street. The areas are scattered along Dale, not concentrated in only one area.

--Some residents noted that drivers' behavior changes when there is a noticeable police presence.

--Bump outs and medians can reduce speeds.

--Ted Blank reported on a city named Bellevue, which has a comprehensive approach to traffic calming. The first phase is educating the neighborhood and enforcing. The next phase is physical re-design of the street.

--There are some things that can be done before Dale is actually reconstructed. One of these things is reinforcement.

--Suggestion: More crosswalks, especially at lights. More left-turn signals/arrows.

--Ted Blank suggested having a traffic expert taking a walk down Dale Street with some residents to identify the problem areas. Jim suggested having someone (Paul St. Martin) from the City of St. Paul Public Works involved to do this. Ted asked if we should do this in sections over the next few months.

--Ted suggested that residents along Dale Street have a block party on National Night Out and discuss some solutions for Dale Street.

--A goal is to try to slow traffic down without having drivers get frustrated and divert to neighborhood streets.

--We will continue this discussion at our next Land Use meeting. Jim will send printouts of aerial views to Kim so we can concentrate on specific areas.


Adjourn: Motion to adjourn the meeting at 8:49 p.m.


Next Meeting: The next meeting is Monday, August 4, 2013, at the Street Car Station.


Future meeting dates: 9/2 (Tuesday), 9/29, 11/3, 12/1


Minutes recorded by Linda R. Hinderscheit, Committee Member

These minutes are not official until approved.


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